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转一篇老外对中国银行卡的评论,虽然老一点,但是很给力

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发表于 2012-3-23 17:22 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Toine Roojimans: Payment In China – Systems & Habits                                                                                                                                                        by Kai Pan, posted in Research & Insights                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Toine Roojimans shared a presentation on payment systems, infrastructure, and habits in China at Barcamp Shanghai 2009, a key topic of interest for anyone hoping to do ecommerce or any online business involving actually collecting money from online customers …online.
Here’s a rundown of his slideshow and talk:
The China market (for online payment settlement) is fragmented.
  • There is no Paypal for the Chinese market.
  • Why? Because Paypal doesn’t really target Chinese consumers. They target overseas merchants.
  • Alipay, a Chinese payment-settlement service similar to PayPal run by Alibaba, has a lot of political enemies.
  • They don’t share with Unionpay (see below).
  • Some other payment settlement services: Yeepay, 95bill
Yeepay, Alipay, 95bill?
What is UnionPay?
  • Government appointed authority on payment.
  • Takes a cut on every transaction.
  • Banks hate them (they’re a monopoly that makes money doing nothing).
What about credit cards?
  • Credit cards don’t actually exist in China. They’re really “post-paid” Unionpay cards, where the payment is actually processed by Unionpay. Visa (for example) only works (or is involved) outside of China.
  • Credit cards have to be co-issued with foreign banks. They are like hybrid cards, half Unionpay (used domestically) as issued by a local Chinese bank and half-credit card (used abroad) as issued by a foreign bank (such as HSBC).
  • Most Chinese people don’t have credit cards.
  • However, there is a hard push for issuing and adopting credit cards. For example, go to any busy commercial area and you’re likely to see small booths and stands where you can sign up for “Lock&Lock” storage containers.
  • These are operated by credit card representatives who are paid a “bounty” of 80-100 RMB per card issued. They take some of this money to buy these “free gifts” that are in turn used to attract more people to sign up.
  • While the above is true for first-tier cities, 2nd and 3rd tier cities are “still miles away.
  • For reference, even Shanghai only has ~500k POS (point of sale) terminals.
  • Market penetration of credit card POS terminals is only 20%…of what it “should” be compared to other western cities. Thus, there is certainly a lot of growth potential.
How do I pay online?
  • Most common is COD (cash on delivery).
  • Taobao -> Alipay
  • Get a bank account:
    1. Activate online payment (2 forms, 4 stamps)
    2. Set quota for online payment/month/day (if go over, must call to reset quota)
    3. Sign in to online banking (get out your random number generator or your SMS)
    4. Get another code
    5. Pay
  • Chinese people love stored value cards, where a user purchases online “credit” or “points” offline through convenience stores or other vendors. These cards usually contain codes that are entered into online accounts, crediting those accounts with online currency/points. Toine says these are China’s “answer to micropayment.”
Circle Pleasure, the company Toine works for, makes 3D worlds in Korea and are entering China. How do they plan on handling online payment transactions in China? Will they use Alipay like others?
Their idea is to “do it better.” This has involved them becoming one of 67 companies in China licensed to sell pre-paid stored-value cards. Their twist is to make their cards and online currency open and “available to everybody” in the sense that they are willing to partner with anyone, allowing the stored value to be used for other people’s services, goods, and businesses. All they ask for is a 1% flat transaction fee. They also offer tax invoices (those who understand China’s tax system will better understand the implications involved in this).
Going forward, they recognize that what they’re doing isn’t really different from what already exists in China, so they also want to import fancy Korean technology and develop a next-generation licensed secure payment system around a USB key with integrated RFID, security chip, memory, etc. The idea here appears to be creating a portable physical device and new payment infrastructure that can be used to pay for many things and transfer money from other systems, such as banks, and offer other perks, such as e-coupons and discounts.
Sounds ambitious, right?
More CNR Barcamp Shanghai 2009 coverage here.
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发表于 2012-3-23 17:33 | 显示全部楼层
神马意思?给翻译一下
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-23 17:37 | 显示全部楼层
我随便翻译几段,翻译的不好请大家包涵

The China market (for online payment settlement) is fragmented.
  • There is no Paypal for the Chinese market.
  • Why? Because Paypal doesn’t really target Chinese consumers. They target overseas merchants.
  • Alipay, a Chinese payment-settlement service similar to PayPal run by Alibaba, has a lot of political enemies.
  • They don’t share with Unionpay (see below).
  • Some other payment settlement services: Yeepay, 95bill
Yeepay, Alipay, 95bill?

中国市场(在线支付)很混乱。
这里没有paypal的市场。
为什么?因为贝宝本不是真正面向中国用户。他们的目标是海外商户。
支付宝,alibaba运营的类似于paypal的服务,有很多竞争对手。
他们都与银联无关。
还有一些其他的在线支付服务,yeepay,99bill。

What is UnionPay?
  • Government appointed authority on payment.
  • Takes a cut on every transaction.
  • Banks hate them (they’re a monopoly that makes money doing nothing).
银联是啥?
zf授权支付机构。
从所有交易中分成。
银行恨他们(只拿钱不干活)。


What about credit cards?
  • Credit cards don’t actually exist in China. They’re really “post-paid” Unionpay cards, where the payment is actually processed by Unionpay. Visa (for example) only works (or is involved) outside of China.
  • Credit cards have to be co-issued with foreign banks. They are like hybrid cards, half Unionpay (used domestically) as issued by a local Chinese bank and half-credit card (used abroad) as issued by a foreign bank (such as HSBC).
  • Most Chinese people don’t have credit cards.
  • However, there is a hard push for issuing and adopting credit cards. For example, go to any busy commercial area and you’re likely to see small booths and stands where you can sign up for “Lock&Lock” storage containers.
  • These are operated by credit card representatives who are paid a “bounty” of 80-100 RMB per card issued. They take some of this money to buy these “free gifts” that are in turn used to attract more people to sign up.
  • While the above is true for first-tier cities, 2nd and 3rd tier cities are “still miles away.
  • For reference, even Shanghai only has ~500k POS (point of sale) terminals.
关于信用卡
天朝实际并没有真正的信用卡。他们本质上只是后付费的银联卡,所有的支付都通过银联。visa之类的组织只在海外有效。
信用卡往往是和海外银行联合发行,可以看成是混合卡,一半是本地银行发行的银联(本地使用),另一半是海外银行(例如hsbc)。【这个说法有问题,估计被浦发兴业之类的卡误导了】
大部分天朝人木有信用卡。
但是,天朝的银行有很强的动力发行信用卡。例如,随便去一个繁华商业区,你就能看到一个小摊,用乐扣吸引你办卡。
业务员一张卡可以拿到80-100rmb的提成。他们用部分提成买这些“免费礼品”吸引人办卡。
这些事情主要发生在一线城市,2-3线城市还差得远。
作为参考,即使是上海,也只有大概50万的pos终端。


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发表于 2012-3-23 17:40 | 显示全部楼层
楼主厉害,专业水平啊
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-23 17:46 | 显示全部楼层
How do I pay online?
  • Most common is COD (cash on delivery).
  • Taobao -> Alipay
  • Get a bank account:
    1. Activate online payment (2 forms, 4 stamps)
    2. Set quota for online payment/month/day (if go over, must call to reset quota)
    3. Sign in to online banking (get out your random number generator or your SMS)
    4. Get another code
    5. Pay
Chinese people love stored value cards, where a user purchases online “credit” or “points” offline through convenience stores or other vendors. These cards usually contain codes that are entered into online accounts, crediting those accounts with online currency/points. Toine says these are China’s “answer to micropayment.”

在天朝怎么在线支付
大部分是货到付款。
通过淘宝-支付宝。
先整个银行账户,开通在线支付(两个表格,四个章);设定在线支付的当日当月限额(如果超了,需要重置);登录网银(需要密码器或者手机短信验证);获得另外一个验证码;支付。
天朝人热爱各种储值卡,通过便利店购买点卡。这些点卡包含支付密码,可以冲入在线帐号……【估计说的是Q币】Toine说这些是天朝的“微型支付方法”【不是很明白,反正不是啥好话】

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发表于 2012-3-23 17:50 | 显示全部楼层
老外说的都是实情。。。。
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发表于 2012-3-23 18:34 | 显示全部楼层
国外的银行没U盾的,美国银行没有的,其他银行不晓得,那这东西是谁发明的啊,支付很麻杆,
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发表于 2012-3-23 18:39 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵 分析的不错 相对于国外的普及程度中国不管是信用卡还是配套的POS设施 还是太少了 网络支付也因安全限制了很多
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发表于 2012-3-23 18:59 | 显示全部楼层
更看不懂!强烈要求教授降低难度!
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发表于 2012-3-26 18:19 | 显示全部楼层
简单一句话,国内的信用管理水平跟不上
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发表于 2012-3-27 00:02 | 显示全部楼层
ahamard 发表于 2012-3-23 17:46
How do I pay online?
  • Most common is COD (cash on delivery).

  • 天朝人热爱各种储值卡,通过便利店购买点卡。这些点卡包含支付密码,可以冲入在线帐号……【估计说的是Q币】

    不一定是Q币,其实大多是在线游戏的充值点卡。关键是国内玩在线游戏又需要中途充值(买药品、打装备)的人实在太多。

    相对于在线游戏,Q币的消耗量不算太大。
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     楼主| 发表于 2012-3-27 07:39 手机频道 | 显示全部楼层
    益寿延年 发表于 2012-3-27 00:02
    天朝人热爱各种储值卡,通过便利店购买点卡。这些点卡包含支付密码,可以冲入在线帐号……【估计说的是Q币 ...

    啊,我没玩过网游哈
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     楼主| 发表于 2012-3-27 07:41 手机频道 | 显示全部楼层
    改变自己 发表于 2012-3-23 18:34
    国外的银行没U盾的,美国银行没有的,其他银行不晓得,那这东西是谁发明的啊,支付很麻杆,

    油炖好像是工行的专利。其实油炖倒没啥,倒是和ie绑一起,那些控件就折腾死人了
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    发表于 2012-3-27 15:54 | 显示全部楼层
    toine roojimans共同介绍支付系统,基础设施,和习惯在中国在击上海2009,一个关键主题感兴趣的人希望做电子商务或任何在线业务涉及实际收集钱从网上客户网上…。下面是他的幻灯片和讲座:中国市场(网上支付结算)是支离破碎的。有没有贝宝的中国市场。为什么呢?因为贝宝实际上并不针对中国消费者。他们的目标是海外客商。支付宝,中国payment-settlement服务类似贝宝由阿里巴巴,有很多政治敌人。他们不分享与中国银联(见下)。一些其他支付结算服务:易宝支付,95bill易宝支付,支付宝,95bill?什么是银联吗?政府指定的权威付款。以削减对每一笔交易。银行恨他们(他们垄断使钱做什么)。什么信用卡?信用卡实际上并不存在于中国。他们真的“后付费”的银联卡,在付款,实际上是由中国银联。签证(例如)只能(或参与)在中国。信用卡是co-issued外资银行。他们喜欢混合卡,一半银联(国内)出具当地华人银行和半信贷卡(国外)颁发的外国银行(汇丰等)。大多数中国人没有信用卡。然而,有一个硬推发出和接受信用卡。例如,去任何一个繁华商业区,你可能看到的小摊位,屹立在那里,你可以注册为“锁和锁”储存容器。这些都是由信用卡代表谁是支付“赏金”80 - 100元/卡。他们把这部分钱购买这些“免费礼物”,是用来吸引更多人签署。虽然以上是真正的一线城市,第二和第三级城市“仍然英里远。供参考,甚至上海只有50万~销售点终端(销售点)。市场渗透的信用卡终端机只有20%……什么是“应该”与其他西部城市。因此,这确实是一个很大的增长潜力。我怎样在网上支付吗?最常见的是鳕鱼(货到付款)。淘宝支付宝- >银行帐号:1。激活网上支付(2,4章)2。设置配额的在线支付/月/日(如果去了,必须重置配额)3。登录到网上银行(滚出去你的随机数发生器或短信)4。得到另一个代码5。中国人付出爱储值卡,其中一个用户在线购买“信用”或“点”离线通过便利店或其他供应商。这些卡通常包含代码输入到在线帐户,贷记账户在线货币/点。toine说这是中国的“答案小额支付。”圈乐趣,公司toine工程三维世界,使韩国进入中国。他们是如何计划处理网上支付交易在中国?他们会使用支付宝一样?他们的想法是“做得更好”。这涉及到他们成为67个公司在中国授权出售预付储值卡。他们是让自己的卡和网上货币的开放和“人”的意义,他们愿意与任何人,允许存储的值被用来为其他人服务,货物,和企业。他们所要求的是一个1%平的交易费用。他们还提供税务发票(那些了解中国的税制将更好地了解所涉本)。展望未来,他们认识到他们在做什么不是真正不同的是已经存在于中国,所以他们也要进口花式韩国技术和开发下一代牌安全支付系统围绕一个密钥集成射频识别,安全芯片,内存,等。这里的想法似乎是创建一个物理设备和便携式新的支付基础设施,可以用来支付许多事情和转移资金从其他系统,如银行,并提供其他福利,如电子优惠券和折扣。听起来雄心勃勃的,对吗?
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    发表于 2012-4-10 04:50 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 liuxues 于 2012-4-10 05:13 编辑

    ·国情不一样,中国特色。不能这么比。  

    ·非海外市场?中国不是paypal的美国之外的海外市场??只不过贝宝没拿到支付牌照而已,做不进来居然说不是主要市场?吃不到葡萄说葡萄酸,马云为了牌照与外资绝缘,gov说想要牌照不能有外资背景,就是怕资金外流,市场被他人控制,钱到别人口袋里去了;这也算是种贸易保护吧,凭啥老妹对俺们收这个税那个税的,俺们就不能屏蔽你一些东西,但这并不是闭关锁国,毕竟底线和原则还是要有的!

    ·啥时候国人也写篇对国外paypal之类的评论,然后老美说:恩,你看人家国外(china)点评的很到位啊!笑了!!
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    发表于 2012-4-12 14:15 | 显示全部楼层
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